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- Subject: Re: Will anyone buy NT?? (Yes - Intelligent People)
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- Date: 15 Mar 1996 10:35:14 GMT
- Organization: Kingston University, Kingston-upon-Thames.
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- Dan Moore (danmoore@hsonline.net) wrote:
- : nedkelly@eagle.ais.net (Ned Kelly) wrote:
-
- : >Don't confuse computing-power/dollar with lower prices. While the price
- : >per meg RAM or HD space may drop, it seems the hardware requirements are
- : >rising faster than the power/dollar ratio! The computer prices are
- : >getting like the cars. Instead of dropping prices, they add enough
- : >features to <italics>increase</italics> the price instead! Why does
- : >labour on the planet gets cheaper, along with materials, yet cars are
- : >getting increasingly unaffordable?
-
- : Actually, cars may not be the best example because in absolute
- : dollars, discounting inflation, the cost of the average car has more
- : than doubled in the past 15 years.
-
- [snip]
-
- : The engine isn't any bigger and it doesn't really go faster and its
- : functionality is about the same as what it was 15 years ago.
-
- Some would say that cars is a good example. Funny you should bring up
- this 15 year figure because as fast as the IBM compatible PC format is
- concerned it has not progressed at all during the last 15 years. In order
- to maintain backward compatibility, kludges like Extended Memory, (HIMEM.SYS
- etc), graphic cards, sound cards have been developed. Not to mention the
- re-definition of terms like "multi-tasking","Open systems","windows" to
- suite the inadequacies of the common PC. The PC running "windows" today
- only barely begins to resemble proper windows systems on the Mac and Sun
- of 15 years ago.
-
- : The cars tend to last longer, however, and people keep them 5 years
- : instead of 3. Since fewer cars are being sold, prices have gone up in
- : order to maintain car companies' stockholders' return on equity.
-
- This is not true of PCs. They break down very often. I do not know how
- often they broke down 15 years ago. No body payed much attention to them
- way back then, since they were only one of a million different type of
- computers which seemed to hold a path to the future. But going on
- experiences now, it would seem that the standard of products vary
- greatly depending on who makes them. Since the PC is made using of the
- shelf materials, it is open to anyone who can assemble one together,
- cut as much cost in doing so, to make as much profit.
-
- They are whole industries which thrive on PCs breaking down and people
- buying replacement parts. The market is ridiled with cowboy operators,
- and a a public willing to believe anything they say.
-
- : Compared to cars, computer prices have gone down dramatically. A
- : 256K, 4.77Mhz PC with a CGA color display and no hard drive cost well
- : over $4,000 15 years ago. Today, $2,500 will buy you a 133Mhz Pentium
- : with 16 megs of RAM, a gigabyte HD, and a hi-resolution color monitor.
- : 15 years ago there were less than 1 million PCs in the world. Today
- : there are probably 250 million.
-
- The true price of a PC is not necessarily going to be the price tag you
- see on it in the Computer stores. No sooner does a faster processor,
- or piece of hardware comes out, than you are told that its out of date,
- and you should upgrade.
-
- : The computer industry has been very successful in continuing to make
- : technological progress.
-
- Yes! the Computer Industry makes technological progress, but the PC
- industry is backward! Its heading up a dead-end street. And it knows
- it too! The major companies in that market are trying to look for a
- way out, whilst trying to reassure the public that everything is Ok.
- In fact, not that its just ok, but they have never had it so good!
-
- But if the blind, lead the blind, shall they not both fall into the
- pit?
-
- : However, you are correct: it takes a lot more
- : resources to accomplish the same computing task today than it did 15
- : years ago. Code is no longer efficient, because the average machine's
- : horsepower no longer reuires that we write efficient code -- we just
- : have to write it faster.
-
- How anyone who cares about the computing industry could make a statement
- saying we no longer require efficient code is beyond me! How they can
- go on to say that faster computers == faster code generation...well!!
-
- : >Soon enough, there will end up being a chip like the DEC Alpha made by
- : >Intel. The DEC Alpha is roughly equal to the first Cray. (according to
- : >the Guinness Book of World Records) Will Winblows 9x slow it down to the
- : >pace of a 386SX16 running Winblows 3.1? I bet it will, and Linux will
- : >blow you out of your seat and into orbit. :)
-
- : >Tell me this: Do you need a Cray to edit some text?
-
- : Of course you don't, but in a few years you won't have a choice. The
- : average PC will be far more powerful than the original Cray and if you
- : decide to go with the flow, you'll edit text with it and your prophesy
- : will come to pass. But that same PC will also be able to do things
- : that a Cray couldn't do, especially in the graphics department.
-
- Thats funny! because to-date the average PC has yet to much machines
- like the Commodore amiga in the graphics department. Not to mention
- the multi-tasking department, or the sound department. And what?
- The Amiga is only over 10 years old!
-
- : From a strategy standpoint, it's important that the industry NOT
- : develop the perfect and affordable computer. If they do, no one will
- : want to upgrade.
-
- Comments like these almost make MS apologists like
- Martin Nisshagen at MTS Technology seem reasonable.
-
- From a strategy standpoint, its important that all the guys and girls
- at Micro$oft, Intel, all the companies that support the PC format
- for profit, all their supporters out there in academia
- (especially MTS Technology), be lined up against a wall and.....
-
- have ice water poured over them?
-
- Why? What did you think I was going to say?
-